This is for Neub...and anyone else interested in the discussion of "Global Warming"

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  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('menu:0:en', 'a:4:{s:10:\"path index\";a:271:{s:13:\"admin/filters\";s:1:\"7\";s:18:\"admin/filters/list\";i:-2;s:17:\"admin/filters/add\";i:-3;s:20:\"admin/filters/delete\";i:-4;s:11:\"filter/tips\";s:1:\"3\";s:10:\"admin/node\";s:1:\"8\";s:19:\"admin/node/overview\";i:-7;s:17:\"admin/node/search\";i:-8;s:19:\"admin/settings/node\";s:2:\"21\";s:28:\"admin/settings/content-types\";s:2:\"22\";s:4:\"node\";s:1:\"4\";s:8:\"node/add\";s:1:\"9\";s:7:\"rss.xml\";i:-13;s:12:\"system/files\";i:-14;s:5:\"admin\";s:1:\"5\";s:12:\"admin/themes\";s:2:\"10\";s:19:\"admin/themes/select\" in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:655757dce631b210a87cea4a7732f3f7', '<p>I am just posting the few articles I had saved over the last year. Merely brain food. I am not going to argue the validity of \"global warming\", just wanted to post these up here for you to read and comment.</p>\n\n<p>Scientists respond to Gore\'s warnings of climate catastrophe<br />\n\"The Inconvenient Truth\" is indeed inconvenient to alarmists<br />\nBy Tom Harris<br />\nMonday, June 12, 2006 <br />\n\"Scientists have an independent obligation to respect and present the truth as they see it,\" Al Gore sensibly asserts in his film \"An Inconvenient Truth\", showing at Cumberland 4 Cinemas in Toronto since Jun 2. With that outlook in mind, what do world climate experts actually think about the scienc in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:73da782e23f4b3de3aef8fff447c625b', '<p>Tom Harris, the author of the first aforementioned article, is (or was until September 2006) employed by the High Park Group. This is a public-relations and lobby firm. Their clients hire them to find scientists who will support their business case against emissions standards. He is, in short, a spin doctor for heavy industry. Not a scientist, not a scholar. His background is in marketing.</p>\n\n<p>But hey, if global warming were an actual trend, we\'d have real concrete evidence, right? Like increased hurricane activity over the last decade or so? I guess we\'ll see how 2007 shapes up. 2004, 05, and 06 certainly were mild hurricane years, right? No cause for any concern there.<br />\nOr we\'d have a measurable, verifyable <a href=\" in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:6191c69e0c1a3ba236b56b8d89be1954', '<p><a href=\"http://www.rpgoutfitter.com/wow-gm/char.cfm?char=Neubauten@US-Kargath\" class=\"bb-url\"><img src=\"http://imgx.rpgoutfitter.com/sig/US/Kargath/Neubauten.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"bb-image\" /></a><br />\n</p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:e215f894abb1850a5c8707803fb76bcc', '<p>I had just clicked out of this page and went to visit CNN.com when I found <a href=\"http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/01/23/climate.report.ap/index.html\" class=\"bb-url\"> this article</a>. I guess we can read for ourselves the results of 600 globally recognized climate change experts on Feb 2.</p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:6191c69e0c1a3ba236b56b8d89be1954', '<p><a href=\"http://www.rpgoutfitter.com/wow-gm/char.cfm?char=Neubauten@US-Kargath\" class=\"bb-url\"><img src=\"http://imgx.rpgoutfitter.com/sig/US/Kargath/Neubauten.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"bb-image\" /></a><br />\n</p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:9f3c96817562acbd8565b232c5cf3f5b', '<p>Global warming is happening. Pollution is bad. I try my best not to pollute and totally am for anything to cut down on it. I am, how would you say it, an environmentalist without the crazy part (I am anti-PETA, pro-animal).</p>\n\n<p>I will just keep my reservations about the \"research\" that has been done until proven correct. My reservations, however, will not stop me from doing my part to cut down on pollution and protecting animals on this planet. The cylcles that this planet are on (ice ages that have come and gone) have obviously not been able to be studied much due to them taking place long ago. I wouldn\'t doubt that this is more of a cylclical thing more than a man-made thing. Only time will tell.</p>\n\n<p>Global warming before in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:7d647e264a454c54125a6c03619b4688', '<p><a href=\"http://www.rpgoutfitter.com/?c=WAEPEK\" class=\"bb-url\"><img src=\"http://imgx.rpgoutfitter.com/sig/US/Kargath/Jaland.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"bb-image\" /></a></p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:e99601ab756ddf631e3b70d1bafa976c', '<p>Have you ever read about Easter Island? It\'s a fascinating study in overconsumption. There you have a group of people (some archeologists estimate a peak population of 10-15,000) who deforest, over hunt, and over fish themselves into near extinction. Can you imagine what must have been going through the mind of the guy who cut down the last palm tree on the island?</p>\n\n<p>He probably wasn\'t envisioning the catastrophic famine that they would face without the ability to canoe-fish as they had been doing for several hundred years. He probably wasn\'t thinking about how quickly the coastal fish populations would be decimated by over fishing. He almost certainly wasn\'t contemplating the possibility of his people resorting, finally, to cannibalisi in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:6191c69e0c1a3ba236b56b8d89be1954', '<p><a href=\"http://www.rpgoutfitter.com/wow-gm/char.cfm?char=Neubauten@US-Kargath\" class=\"bb-url\"><img src=\"http://imgx.rpgoutfitter.com/sig/US/Kargath/Neubauten.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"bb-image\" /></a><br />\n</p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:66f402efaa55187bd9ab88cd9e7069ae', '<p>Once again, I am not disagreeing with you at all. </p>\n\n<p>Over consumption = bad. <br />\nDeforestation = bad.<br />\nOversized SUV\'s driving around the city = bad (and stupid).</p>\n\n<p>It\'s going to be tough to cut down on pollution, especially when the worst offenders (China and India) didn\'t have to sign the Kyoto protocol or are now exempt. I have a feeling that the USA will very soon be one of the cleanest countries and it all starts at home. The gov\'t can only do so much. People have to make up there minds to conserve, whether it is being scared into it by so called \"global warming\" or by having a conscience.</p>\n\n<p>I did not know the story of Easter Island, thank you for laying that in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:7d647e264a454c54125a6c03619b4688', '<p><a href=\"http://www.rpgoutfitter.com/?c=WAEPEK\" class=\"bb-url\"><img src=\"http://imgx.rpgoutfitter.com/sig/US/Kargath/Jaland.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"bb-image\" /></a></p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:3c35ee7f70c33dfc7f755bfc77908b88', '<p>Two New Books Confirm Global Warming is Natural</p>\n\n<p>Two powerful new books say today’s global warming is due not to human activity but primarily to a long, moderate solar-linked cycle. Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1500 Years, by physicist Fred Singer and economist Dennis Avery was released just before Christmas. The Chilling Stars: A New Theory of Climate Change, by Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and former BBC science writer Nigel Calder (Icon Books), is due out in March. </p>\n\n<p>Singer and Avery note that most of the earth’s recent warming occurred before 1940, and thus before much human-emitted CO2. Moreover, physical evidence shows 600 moderate warmings in the earth’s last million years. The evidence ranges from ancient Nile flood reco in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:7d647e264a454c54125a6c03619b4688', '<p><a href=\"http://www.rpgoutfitter.com/?c=WAEPEK\" class=\"bb-url\"><img src=\"http://imgx.rpgoutfitter.com/sig/US/Kargath/Jaland.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"bb-image\" /></a></p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:e38af40d40fc9383730dcd45e96993bb', '<p><div class=\"bb-quote\"><b>Jaland wrote:</b><blockquote class=\"bb-quote-body\">It\'s going to be tough to cut down on pollution, especially when the worst offenders (China and India) didn\'t have to sign the Kyoto protocol or are now exempt.</blockquote></div></p>\n\n<p>Actually, the United States is by far the largest emitter of greenhouse gasses, both in sheer volume and per capita. China is 3rd after the EU, India is 6th. China and India are both considered \"developing nations\", and are therefore exempt from the Kyoto protocol. </p>\n\n<p>To be fair, however, China ratified Kyoto on Aug 30, 2002 and signed on May 29, 1998. India ratified the agreement August 26, 2002, but were in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:6191c69e0c1a3ba236b56b8d89be1954', '<p><a href=\"http://www.rpgoutfitter.com/wow-gm/char.cfm?char=Neubauten@US-Kargath\" class=\"bb-url\"><img src=\"http://imgx.rpgoutfitter.com/sig/US/Kargath/Neubauten.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"bb-image\" /></a><br />\n</p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:8d2c858ca4f6ec225ca0f3cd4020c5d2', '<p>Position of the People\'s Republic of China<br />\nThe People\'s Republic of China insists that the gas emissions level of any given country is a multiplication of its per capita emission and its population. China endorses this because of the advantage it would get within the new restrictions. Because China has emplaced population control measures while maintaining low emissions per capita, it claims it should therefore in both the above aspects be considered a contributor to the world environment. China considers the criticism of its energy policy unjust.[28] China is currently the second largest emitter of greenhouse gases, and is expected to become the largest by 2030.[29]</p>\n\n<p>In 2004 the total greenhouse gas emissions from China were about 54% of in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:7d647e264a454c54125a6c03619b4688', '<p><a href=\"http://www.rpgoutfitter.com/?c=WAEPEK\" class=\"bb-url\"><img src=\"http://imgx.rpgoutfitter.com/sig/US/Kargath/Jaland.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"bb-image\" /></a></p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:f074a68eebfa2d7d7f0c81dc02a0b343', '<p>The problem I have with Wiki, aside from the fact that there tends to be a very pronounced liberal bias throughout, is that the information that they use is often collected from third-hand sources. I like that they provide a jumping-off point for real research, but their \"facts\" are sometimes questionable.</p>\n\n<p>In this case, Wiki is correct in placing China in the #2 position, assuming that the EU is divided into its member nations. If the EU is considered a single entity (as their shared currency and economic interdependency suggests), then their emissions eclipse China. My suggestion that China is #3 was based on a combination of UN and CIA data. The UN requires each member nation report its emissions, and the CIA...well...they \"get\" that in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:6191c69e0c1a3ba236b56b8d89be1954', '<p><a href=\"http://www.rpgoutfitter.com/wow-gm/char.cfm?char=Neubauten@US-Kargath\" class=\"bb-url\"><img src=\"http://imgx.rpgoutfitter.com/sig/US/Kargath/Neubauten.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"bb-image\" /></a><br />\n</p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
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  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:7d647e264a454c54125a6c03619b4688', '<p><a href=\"http://www.rpgoutfitter.com/?c=WAEPEK\" class=\"bb-url\"><img src=\"http://imgx.rpgoutfitter.com/sig/US/Kargath/Jaland.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"bb-image\" /></a></p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:a92e38f6fc59e47e417bccebe34e7a7f', '<p><a href=\"//www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/02/02/climate.change.report/index.html\" class=\"bb-url\">Here</a> is the link to the CNN coverage of the latest global greenhouse emission report.</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/SPM2feb07.pdf\" class=\"bb-url\">Here</a> is a link from Fox News (for all you conservatives out there) to the report itself.</p>\n\n<p>Apparently we (humans) are having a massive, catastrophic (to us) impact on the planet after all.</p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:6191c69e0c1a3ba236b56b8d89be1954', '<p><a href=\"http://www.rpgoutfitter.com/wow-gm/char.cfm?char=Neubauten@US-Kargath\" class=\"bb-url\"><img src=\"http://imgx.rpgoutfitter.com/sig/US/Kargath/Neubauten.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"bb-image\" /></a><br />\n</p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:15d730438546d9f7aed1eabd5334f7dd', '<p>Actually I look forward to the sea level rise. Living a few miles inland, sooner or later, I will have beach front property.</p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
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  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:7d647e264a454c54125a6c03619b4688', '<p><a href=\"http://www.rpgoutfitter.com/?c=WAEPEK\" class=\"bb-url\"><img src=\"http://imgx.rpgoutfitter.com/sig/US/Kargath/Jaland.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"bb-image\" /></a></p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:0fd8e0a6784b83b386c10a507946a01c', '<p>I actually ended the guild charter with a quote from Karl Marx (you should be able to read said document very soon). </p>\n\n<p>\"Now why on earth\", you might ask \"would you quote Marx in the guild charter?!?\" Well, first and foremost because the quote speaks to me of the spirit of cooperation that our guild should espouse. </p>\n\n<p>Second, though, is that I wanted to bother all of the misguided, ill-informed, hate-mongering, communist-fearing, faux-moral, war-advocating, bigots that might be hiding in our midst.</p>\n\n<p>P.S. If you advocate war, you condone killing. If you condone killing, you aren\'t \"pro-life\". Some people seem to forget that they\'re mutually exclusive.</p><br class in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:6191c69e0c1a3ba236b56b8d89be1954', '<p><a href=\"http://www.rpgoutfitter.com/wow-gm/char.cfm?char=Neubauten@US-Kargath\" class=\"bb-url\"><img src=\"http://imgx.rpgoutfitter.com/sig/US/Kargath/Neubauten.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"bb-image\" /></a><br />\n</p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
  • user warning: Access denied for user: 'dbo180634567@%' to database 'db180634567' query: INSERT INTO cache (cid, data, created, expire, headers) VALUES ('filter:4:0a2318805fb9b67e88f51481949a45a8', '<p><div class=\"bb-quote\">Quote:<blockquote class=\"bb-quote-body\">P.S. If you advocate war, you condone killing. If you condone killing, you aren\'t \"pro-life\". Some people seem to forget that they\'re mutually exclusive</blockquote></div></p>\n\n<p>Actually, I\'m against killing except in the case of abortion.</p><br class=\"clear\" />', 1337543157, 1337629557, '') in /homepages/39/d119264748/htdocs/ronin/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 120.
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I am just posting the few articles I had saved over the last year. Merely brain food. I am not going to argue the validity of "global warming", just wanted to post these up here for you to read and comment.

Scientists respond to Gore's warnings of climate catastrophe
"The Inconvenient Truth" is indeed inconvenient to alarmists
By Tom Harris
Monday, June 12, 2006
"Scientists have an independent obligation to respect and present the truth as they see it," Al Gore sensibly asserts in his film "An Inconvenient Truth", showing at Cumberland 4 Cinemas in Toronto since Jun 2. With that outlook in mind, what do world climate experts actually think about the science of his movie?
Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."
But surely Carter is merely part of what most people regard as a tiny cadre of "climate change skeptics" who disagree with the "vast majority of scientists" Gore cites?
No; Carter is one of hundreds of highly qualified non-governmental, non-industry, non-lobby group climate experts who contest the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are causing significant global climate change. "Climate experts" is the operative term here. Why? Because what Gore's "majority of scientists" think is immaterial when only a very small fraction of them actually work in the climate field.
Even among that fraction, many focus their studies on the impacts of climate change; biologists, for example, who study everything from insects to polar bears to poison ivy. "While many are highly skilled researchers, they generally do not have special knowledge about the causes of global climate change," explains former University of Winnipeg climatology professor Dr. Tim Ball. "They usually can tell us only about the effects of changes in the local environment where they conduct their studies."
This is highly valuable knowledge, but doesn't make them climate change cause experts, only climate impact experts.
So we have a smaller fraction.
But it becomes smaller still. Among experts who actually examine the causes of change on a global scale, many concentrate their research on designing and enhancing computer models of hypothetical futures. "These models have been consistently wrong in all their scenarios," asserts Ball. "Since modelers concede computer outputs are not "predictions" but are in fact merely scenarios, they are negligent in letting policy-makers and the public think they are actually making forecasts."
We should listen most to scientists who use real data to try to understand what nature is actually telling us about the causes and extent of global climate change. In this relatively small community, there is no consensus, despite what Gore and others would suggest.
Here is a small sample of the side of the debate we almost never hear:
Appearing before the Commons Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development last year, Carleton University paleoclimatologist Professor Tim Patterson testified, "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years." Patterson asked the committee, "On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"
Patterson concluded his testimony by explaining what his research and "hundreds of other studies" reveal: on all time scales, there is very good correlation between Earth's temperature and natural celestial phenomena such changes in the brightness of the Sun.
Dr. Boris Winterhalter, former marine researcher at the Geological Survey of Finland and professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, takes apart Gore's dramatic display of Antarctic glaciers collapsing into the sea. "The breaking glacier wall is a normally occurring phenomenon which is due to the normal advance of a glacier," says Winterhalter. "In Antarctica the temperature is low enough to prohibit melting of the ice front, so if the ice is grounded, it has to break off in beautiful ice cascades. If the water is deep enough icebergs will form."
Dr. Wibjörn Karlén, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden, admits, "Some small areas in the Antarctic Peninsula have broken up recently, just like it has done back in time. The temperature in this part of Antarctica has increased recently, probably because of a small change in the position of the low pressure systems."
But Karlén clarifies that the 'mass balance' of Antarctica is positive - more snow is accumulating than melting off. As a result, Ball explains, there is an increase in the 'calving' of icebergs as the ice dome of Antarctica is growing and flowing to the oceans. When Greenland and Antarctica are assessed together, "their mass balance is considered to possibly increase the sea level by 0.03 mm/year - not much of an effect," Karlén concludes.
The Antarctica has survived warm and cold events over millions of years. A meltdown is simply not a realistic scenario in the foreseeable future.
Gore tells us in the film, "Starting in 1970, there was a precipitous drop-off in the amount and extent and thickness of the Arctic ice cap." This is misleading, according to Ball: "The survey that Gore cites was a single transect across one part of the Arctic basin in the month of October during the 1960s when we were in the middle of the cooling period. The 1990 runs were done in the warmer month of September, using a wholly different technology."
Karlén explains that a paper published in 2003 by University of Alaska professor Igor Polyakov shows that, the region of the Arctic where rising temperature is supposedly endangering polar bears showed fluctuations since 1940 but no overall temperature rise. "For several published records it is a decrease for the last 50 years," says Karlén
Dr. Dick Morgan, former advisor to the World Meteorological Organization and climatology researcher at University of Exeter, U.K. gives the details, "There has been some decrease in ice thickness in the Canadian Arctic over the past 30 years but no melt down. The Canadian Ice Service records show that from 1971-1981 there was average, to above average, ice thickness. From 1981-1982 there was a sharp decrease of 15% but there was a quick recovery to average, to slightly above average, values from 1983-1995. A sharp drop of 30% occurred again 1996-1998 and since then there has been a steady increase to reach near normal conditions since 2001."
Concerning Gore's beliefs about worldwide warming, Morgan points out that, in addition to the cooling in the NW Atlantic, massive areas of cooling are found in the North and South Pacific Ocean; the whole of the Amazon Valley; the north coast of South America and the Caribbean; the eastern Mediterranean, Black Sea, Caucasus and Red Sea; New Zealand and even the Ganges Valley in India. Morgan explains, "Had the IPCC used the standard parameter for climate change (the 30 year average) and used an equal area projection, instead of the Mercator (which doubled the area of warming in Alaska, Siberia and the Antarctic Ocean) warming and cooling would have been almost in balance."
Gore's point that 200 cities and towns in the American West set all time high temperature records is also misleading according to Dr. Roy Spencer, Principal Research Scientist at The University of Alabama in Huntsville. "It is not unusual for some locations, out of the thousands of cities and towns in the U.S., to set all-time records," he says. "The actual data shows that overall, recent temperatures in the U.S. were not unusual."
Carter does not pull his punches about Gore's activism, "The man is an embarrassment to US science and its many fine practitioners, a lot of whom know (but feel unable to state publicly) that his propaganda crusade is mostly based on junk science."
In April sixty of the world's leading experts in the field asked Prime Minister Harper to order a thorough public review of the science of climate change, something that has never happened in Canada. Considering what's at stake - either the end of civilization, if you believe Gore, or a waste of billions of dollars, if you believe his opponents - it seems like a reasonable request.
Tom Harris is mechanical engineer and Ottawa Director of High Park Group, a public affairs and public policy company. He can be reached at

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

Mars Ski Report: Snow is Hard, Dense and Disappearing
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 02:00 pm ET
06 December 2001

Mars would make a lousy host for the Winter Olympics. Yes, there's the lack of air to consider. But more important, Martian snow turns out to be rock hard. Worse, it is melting away at an alarming rate.

In fact, Mars may be in the midst of a period of profound climate change, according to a new study that shows dramatic year-to-year losses of snow at the south pole.

It is not yet clear, though, if the evidence of a single year's change represents a trend. But the study provides a surprising new view of the nature of the southern ice cap, said Michael Caplinger of Malin Space Science Systems.

"It's saying that the permanent cap isn't quite so permanent as we thought," Caplinger said in a telephone interview.

A second study of both poles finds that Red Planet snow is more dense and hard than the euphemistic "packed powder" advertised by Eastern ski resorts, and nothing like the soft flakes expected in Utah for the 2002 Olympics. Instead, it's hard as ice.

Though unrelated, the two studies were based on observations made by NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and both will be published in the Dec. 7 issue of the journal Science.

The combined observations represent an exciting new way to look at Mars' atmosphere and how it interacts over time with the polar caps and even soil at mid-latitudes, said David A. Paige, a researcher at the University of California, Los Angeles.

"The new data are showing what's going on on Mars seasonally as well as on interannual time scales in much more detail than we had with previous observations," Paige told SPACE.com.

Where the snow is

Both of Mars' polar regions are covered in permanent caps of ice. Scientists have known since the 1970s that some of the ice in the north is water ice. There may be water ice in the south, too, but there is no firm evidence. Both poles are covered in a veneer of carbon dioxide ice, popularly called "dry ice" here on Earth.

Each cap grows during its winter and recedes in summer.

The research into snow density, lead by David E. Smith of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, confirm that much of the Martian snow is in fact composed of carbon dioxide.

The study involved more than 400 million elevation measurements spanning more than one Martian year, from February 1999 through May of 2001.

The orbiting spacecraft bounced a beam of laser light to the surface and back, recording the round-trip time to determine elevations within 4 inches (10 centimeters). To determine snow density, this data was compared with measurements of tiny variations in the gravity field caused when there is more or less snow at given locations.

Smith and his colleagues also measured for the first time how the elevation of Mars' surface changes during the seasons, as ice builds up in winter and returns to the atmosphere in summer.

As expected, each polar ice cap is highest in the dead of its winter, when it is in total darkness. Also no surprise was the finding that the biggest changes in snow depth -- more than 6 feet (2 meters) occurred close to the poles.

But the overall bulk of snow accumulation seems to take place at in thinner but vast sheets at lower latitudes, the study found.

Strange snows

As with Earth, the weather on Mars can be strange.

Smith's study also found odd off-season snowfalls on Mars. Because carbon dioxide does not like to be a liquid, it freezes directly out of the atmosphere into surface dry ice. It's possible shadowed areas could accumulate this "snow" regardless of the season, said Maria T. Zuber, an MIT geophysicist who also worked on the study.

In one case, patches of snow disappeared during autumn in the northern hemisphere -- a time when cooler temperatures should have generated accumulations. A huge dust storm that raged in recent months and for a time covered the entire planet may have been responsible, temporarily raising global temperatures.

But Zuber said the deviations are not yet understood.

Global warming on Mars?

In the other study, led by Michael C. Malin, features at the south pole were observed to retreat by up to 10 feet (3 meters) from one Martian year to the next.

The odd shapes -- circular pits, ridges and mounds -- were first photographed in 1999. Since then, the features have eroded away by up to 50 percent.

The pits are growing, the ridges between them shrinking.

Caplinger and Malin caution that a year's worth of data does not reveal when this erosion began or how long it will continue. Yet they speculate that the features could have been created in a Mars' decade and may erode away completely within one to two decades.

"We know that the pits we see at the surface today are not very old, and that they will not last very long," Malin said.

Water or not?

The rate of erosion suggests the features are made of moderately dense but solid carbon dioxide, rather than water ice, the scientists conclude. But that does not preclude the possibility of water ice at the south pole.

"We don't know what's underneath," Caplinger said. "You could certainly have water ice under carbon dioxide."

He said the only way to find out is to go there and drill down.

The newly observed melting, if it is part of a trend, could pump enough carbon dioxide in the atmosphere of Mars to increase its mass by 1 percent per decade, the scientists said. Already, the atmosphere of Mars is roughly 95 percent carbon dioxide.

Caplinger said no one knows for sure what effect the extra carbon dioxide might have on the climate. "Not much," he figures.

But he said many scientists assume that Mars undergoes climate change. Photos of the surface suggest water may once have flowed on Mars, implying that it would have been warmer. And Earth's ice ages offer the lesson that change is inherent in a climate.

New era of study

Despite more than three decades of Red Planet exploration, scientists are still relatively clueless about the climate of Mars, said Paige, the UCLA researcher. Continuous or recurring observations have typically been confined to short time periods.

The two new studies herald a change, Paige said. And expect more.

Mars Global Surveyor is not done studying Mars, and the recently arrived Odyssey orbiter will begin science observations early next year. Other satellites and surface probes are planned every couple of years over the next decade.

"We're moving toward a situation where we'll have a permanent spacecraft presence on Mars," Paige said.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_snow_011206-1.html

There is alot more out there for those who want to search for it.
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Tom Harris

Tom Harris, the author of the first aforementioned article, is (or was until September 2006) employed by the High Park Group. This is a public-relations and lobby firm. Their clients hire them to find scientists who will support their business case against emissions standards. He is, in short, a spin doctor for heavy industry. Not a scientist, not a scholar. His background is in marketing.

But hey, if global warming were an actual trend, we'd have real concrete evidence, right? Like increased hurricane activity over the last decade or so? I guess we'll see how 2007 shapes up. 2004, 05, and 06 certainly were mild hurricane years, right? No cause for any concern there.
Or we'd have a measurable, verifyable increase in Co2 levels.

Or some kind of definitive temperature increase.

But if the marketers at high park group say that the data collected by NOAA is wrong, well, then we have to believe them. Right?

As to the results of data collected for climate change on the planet Mars...well...you've got me there. I presume you know, though, that it's a different planet, right? I mean, if you're suggesting that perhaps our planet would be better off with more Co2 in the atmosphere (Mars has an atmosphere comprised primarily of Co2, roughly 92%) I would have to disagree. Mars lacks the complex diversity of life we enjoy here.

In any of these discussions about "destroying the planet", BTW, it's important to remember that the planet will be fine. It's the people, plants, and animals that will die.

Look, nobody is arguing that there is no buildup of Greenhouse gasses in the upper atmosphere except a few uninformed GOP lobbyists. Even Exxon announced last month that it is going to meet Kyoto standards, which means that the money is running out for Mr. Harris & friends. Much like the tobbaco lobbyists in the 80's that sought to prove that cancer studies were inconclusive, this one's busted.


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Coincidence

I had just clicked out of this page and went to visit CNN.com when I found this article. I guess we can read for ourselves the results of 600 globally recognized climate change experts on Feb 2.


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I am not arguing with you.

Global warming is happening. Pollution is bad. I try my best not to pollute and totally am for anything to cut down on it. I am, how would you say it, an environmentalist without the crazy part (I am anti-PETA, pro-animal).

I will just keep my reservations about the "research" that has been done until proven correct. My reservations, however, will not stop me from doing my part to cut down on pollution and protecting animals on this planet. The cylcles that this planet are on (ice ages that have come and gone) have obviously not been able to be studied much due to them taking place long ago. I wouldn't doubt that this is more of a cylclical thing more than a man-made thing. Only time will tell.

Global warming before man?

New Evidence Indicates Biggest Extinction Wasn't Caused By Asteroid Or Comet
Science Daily — For the last three years evidence has been building that the impact of a comet or asteroid triggered the biggest mass extinction in Earth history, but new research from a team headed by a University of Washington scientist disputes that notion.

The Earth was engulfed in widespread volcanism at the time of the extinction. (Photo courtesy Dick Rasp/National Park Service)In a paper published Jan. 20 by Science Express, the online version of the journal Science, the researchers say they have found no evidence for an impact at the time of "the Great Dying" 250 million years ago. Instead, their research indicates the culprit might have been atmospheric warming because of greenhouse gases triggered by erupting volcanoes.

The extinction occurred at the boundary between the Permian and Triassic periods at a time when all land was concentrated in a supercontinent called Pangea. The Great Dying is considered the biggest catastrophe in the history of life on Earth, with 90 percent of all marine life and nearly three-quarters of land-based plant and animal life going extinct.

"The marine extinction and the land extinction appear to be simultaneous, based on the geochemical evidence we found," said UW paleontologist Peter Ward, lead author of the paper. "Animals and plants both on land and in the sea were dying at the same time, and apparently from the same causes -- too much heat and too little oxygen."

The paper is to be published in the print edition of Science in a few weeks. Co-authors are Roger Buick and Geoffrey Garrison of the UW; Jennifer Botha and Roger Smith of the South African Museum; Joseph Kirschvink of the California Institute of Technology; Michael De Kock of Rand Afrikaans University in South Africa; and Douglas Erwin of the Smithsonian Institution.

The Karoo Basin of South Africa has provided the most intensively studied record of Permian-Triassic vertebrate fossils. In their work, the researchers were able to use chemical, biological and magnetic evidence to correlate sedimentary layers in the Karoo to similar layers in China that previous research has tied to the marine extinction at the end of the Permian period.

Evidence from the marine extinction is "eerily similar" to what the researchers found in the Karoo Basin, Ward said. Over seven years, they collected 126 reptile or amphibian skulls from a nearly 1,000-foot thick section of exposed Karoo sediment deposits from the time of the extinction. They found two patterns, one showing gradual extinction over about 10 million years leading up to the boundary between the Permian and Triassic periods, and the other for a sharp increase in extinction rate at the boundary that then lasted another 5 million years.

The scientists said they found nothing in the Karoo that would indicate a body such as an asteroid hit around the time of the extinction, though they looked specifically for impact clays or material ejected from a crater left by such an impact.

They contend that if there was a comet or asteroid impact, it was a minor element of the Permian extinction. Evidence from the Karoo, they said, is consistent with a mass extinction resulting from catastrophic ecosystem changes over a long time scale, not sudden changes associated with an impact.

The work, funded by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Astrobiology Institute, the National Science Foundation and the National Research Foundation of South Africa, provides a glimpse of what can happen with long-term climate warming, Ward said.

In this case, there is ample evidence that the world got much warmer over a long period because of continuous volcanic eruptions in an area known as the Siberian Traps. As volcanism warmed the planet, large stores of methane gas frozen on the ocean floor might have been released to trigger runaway greenhouse warming, Ward said. But evidence suggests that species began dying out gradually as the planet warmed until conditions reached a critical threshold beyond which most species could not survive.

"It appears that atmospheric oxygen levels were dropping at this point also," he said. "If that's true, then high and intermediate elevations would have become uninhabitable. More than half the world would have been unlivable, life could only exist at the lowest elevations."

He noted that the normal atmospheric oxygen level is around 21 percent, but evidence indicates that at the time of the Great Dying it dropped to about 16 percent -- the equivalent of trying to breathe at the top of a 14,000-foot mountain.

"I think temperatures rose to a critical point. It got hotter and hotter until it reached a critical point and everything died," Ward said. "It was a double-whammy of warmer temperatures and low oxygen, and most life couldn't deal with it."

Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by University Of Washington.


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Not an arguement.

Have you ever read about Easter Island? It's a fascinating study in overconsumption. There you have a group of people (some archeologists estimate a peak population of 10-15,000) who deforest, over hunt, and over fish themselves into near extinction. Can you imagine what must have been going through the mind of the guy who cut down the last palm tree on the island?

He probably wasn't envisioning the catastrophic famine that they would face without the ability to canoe-fish as they had been doing for several hundred years. He probably wasn't thinking about how quickly the coastal fish populations would be decimated by over fishing. He almost certainly wasn't contemplating the possibility of his people resorting, finally, to cannibalisim. The people who currently inhabit the island use the phrase "The flesh of your mother sticks between my teeth" as a grave insult. It is, as I said, a fascinating case study.

But have we learned anything from it? Are we going to be the generation of people who allow the deforestation of South America, the decimation of salmon populations through commercial fishing, the exhaustion of the total world supply of oil? In my mind, we're kind of like the guy on Easter Island who cut down the 150th-to-last tree. We still have a chance to end our rampant overconsumption. There are just a lot of people with a lot of money tied up in making sure we don't.

I certainly hope we disappoint them.

This opinion in no way reflects the views of the Ronin guild, its members, or any subsidiary organization thereof.


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Sylves's picture

Once again, I am not

Once again, I am not disagreeing with you at all.

Over consumption = bad.
Deforestation = bad.
Oversized SUV's driving around the city = bad (and stupid).

It's going to be tough to cut down on pollution, especially when the worst offenders (China and India) didn't have to sign the Kyoto protocol or are now exempt. I have a feeling that the USA will very soon be one of the cleanest countries and it all starts at home. The gov't can only do so much. People have to make up there minds to conserve, whether it is being scared into it by so called "global warming" or by having a conscience.

I did not know the story of Easter Island, thank you for laying that out. It is a very interesting story and it is definitely good to learn from history.


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Two New Books Confirm Global

Two New Books Confirm Global Warming is Natural

Two powerful new books say today’s global warming is due not to human activity but primarily to a long, moderate solar-linked cycle. Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1500 Years, by physicist Fred Singer and economist Dennis Avery was released just before Christmas. The Chilling Stars: A New Theory of Climate Change, by Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and former BBC science writer Nigel Calder (Icon Books), is due out in March.

Singer and Avery note that most of the earth’s recent warming occurred before 1940, and thus before much human-emitted CO2. Moreover, physical evidence shows 600 moderate warmings in the earth’s last million years. The evidence ranges from ancient Nile flood records, Chinese court documents and Roman wine grapes to modern spectral analysis of polar ice cores, deep seabed sediments, and layered cave stalagmites.

Unstoppable Global Warming shows the earth’s temperatures following variations in solar intensity through centuries of sunspot records, and finds cycles of sun-linked isotopes in ice and tree rings. The book cites the work of Svensmark, who says cosmic rays vary the earth’s temperatures by creating more or fewer of the low, wet clouds that cool the earth. It notes that global climate models can’t accurately register cloud effects.

The Chilling Stars relates how Svensmark’s team mimicked the chemistry of earth’s atmosphere, by putting realistic mixtures of atmospheric gases into a large reaction chamber, with ultraviolet light as a stand-in for the sun. When they turned on the UV, microscopic droplets—cloud seeds—started floating through the chamber.

“We were amazed by the speed and efficiency with which the electrons [generated by cosmic rays] do their work of creating the building blocks for the cloud condensation nuclei,” says Svensmark.

The Chilling Stars documents how cosmic rays amplify small changes in the sun’s irradiance fourfold, creating 1-2 degree C cycles in earth’s temperatures: Cosmic rays continually slam into the earth’s atmosphere from outer space, creating ion clusters that become seeds for small droplets of water and sulfuric acid. The droplets then form the low, wet clouds that reflect solar energy back into space. When the sun is more active, it shields the earth from some of the rays, clouds wane, and the planet warms.

Unstoppable Global Warming documents the reality of a moderate, natural, 1500-year climate cycle on the earth. The Chilling Stars explains the why and how.


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Neubauten's picture

Data

Jaland wrote:
It's going to be tough to cut down on pollution, especially when the worst offenders (China and India) didn't have to sign the Kyoto protocol or are now exempt.

Actually, the United States is by far the largest emitter of greenhouse gasses, both in sheer volume and per capita. China is 3rd after the EU, India is 6th. China and India are both considered "developing nations", and are therefore exempt from the Kyoto protocol.

To be fair, however, China ratified Kyoto on Aug 30, 2002 and signed on May 29, 1998. India ratified the agreement August 26, 2002, but were not signers. The only 2 "developed" nations (of the 143 invited) that have refused to ratify are the US and Australia.


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Sylves's picture

Position of the People's

Position of the People's Republic of China
The People's Republic of China insists that the gas emissions level of any given country is a multiplication of its per capita emission and its population. China endorses this because of the advantage it would get within the new restrictions. Because China has emplaced population control measures while maintaining low emissions per capita, it claims it should therefore in both the above aspects be considered a contributor to the world environment. China considers the criticism of its energy policy unjust.[28] China is currently the second largest emitter of greenhouse gases, and is expected to become the largest by 2030.[29]

In 2004 the total greenhouse gas emissions from China were about 54% of the USA emissions [1]. China is now building on average a coal-fired power plant every week and plans to continue doing so for years [2][3]. Some predictions are that China will emit more greenhouse gas than the USA in 2 or 3 years

(China is actually 2nd according to Wiki)

And I misread, we are #1.


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Wiki

The problem I have with Wiki, aside from the fact that there tends to be a very pronounced liberal bias throughout, is that the information that they use is often collected from third-hand sources. I like that they provide a jumping-off point for real research, but their "facts" are sometimes questionable.

In this case, Wiki is correct in placing China in the #2 position, assuming that the EU is divided into its member nations. If the EU is considered a single entity (as their shared currency and economic interdependency suggests), then their emissions eclipse China. My suggestion that China is #3 was based on a combination of UN and CIA data. The UN requires each member nation report its emissions, and the CIA...well...they "get" that kind of data.

I think that there is a commonly held belief that China and India are numbers 1 & 2 because they occupy those positions on the list of emissions for underdeveloped countries. This list is often cited, I believe terribly incorrectly, by lobbyists for multinational corporations. Taken in its entirety, the picture is very different. Germany and Japan, for example, each produce significantly more emissions than India.

Regardless, the US produces more than 6 million tons of noxious gas each year, and that number has increased by around 21% since 1990. It's disgusting. Pointing at the emission levels of other nations is like blaming your farts on the dog.

We need a little global Beano.


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Non-coincidence

Here is the link to the CNN coverage of the latest global greenhouse emission report.

Here is a link from Fox News (for all you conservatives out there) to the report itself.

Apparently we (humans) are having a massive, catastrophic (to us) impact on the planet after all.


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Actually I look forward to

Actually I look forward to the sea level rise. Living a few miles inland, sooner or later, I will have beach front property.


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Sylves's picture

CNN....

Doesn't CNN stand for "Communist News Network"? :op


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Neubauten's picture

A big surprise for you!

I actually ended the guild charter with a quote from Karl Marx (you should be able to read said document very soon).

"Now why on earth", you might ask "would you quote Marx in the guild charter?!?" Well, first and foremost because the quote speaks to me of the spirit of cooperation that our guild should espouse.

Second, though, is that I wanted to bother all of the misguided, ill-informed, hate-mongering, communist-fearing, faux-moral, war-advocating, bigots that might be hiding in our midst.

P.S. If you advocate war, you condone killing. If you condone killing, you aren't "pro-life". Some people seem to forget that they're mutually exclusive.


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Quote:P.S. If you advocate

Quote:
P.S. If you advocate war, you condone killing. If you condone killing, you aren't "pro-life". Some people seem to forget that they're mutually exclusive

Actually, I'm against killing except in the case of abortion.


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<Looks around the room>

Who are you talking too? LOL


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Sylves's picture

If I had to sum up my thoughts on Communism...

It would sound exactly like this essay.

The Nature of Communism
I make no pretenses: I dislike communism. It is a noble concept, but it is one that can't work without a radical change in the human psyche, and I'm not sure I'd want to live in a world where people were, effectively, labotimized.

My personal belief is that communism, as it exists in the world today, and capitalism are the same thing. True communism doesn't, and can't, exist.

True communism depends on human nature being basically altruistic. For communism to work, the members of the society either need to be altruistic enough to want to work for the benefit of their neighbors, or they need to be forward thinking enough to see that what benefits the whole benefits themselves. They must be very far-sighted indeed, because large-scale social benefits tend to be more abstract in nature, and more difficult to recognise. In contrast, when you get your paycheck, you can buy your VCR, and there it is on your table. You can directly relate your work to the results.

If human nature is basically egoistic, then true communism doesn't work. If people are basically selfish, then they won't work for the common good, and there will be a tendancy to freeload or otherwise take advantage of the system. For communism to work in that case, you would you need to make sure that everybody was doing their fair share. You would need a system of "points", to make sure everybody is doing their part. People then work to earn points, so that they can justify receiving their share -- or else they don't get their share, or they go to jail, or they're kicked out of the community, or some other fascist reaction.

Capitalism is also a value-point system, with the "points" being capital. Therefore, communism is just a form of capitalism, only worse. It is worse because people can't get ahead -- they can still starve, but they can't get rich. I call this commu-capitalism, and it's poster child is the former Soviet Republic.

It is my belief that people aren't bad, but they are by nature selfish. I believe that people, like all animals, are organisms with an genetically programmed desire to prosper, reproduce, and expand. What we see as altruism in people is an evolved sense of mutual benefit -- I help you, you help me, we both prosper. Altruism goes out the window when the benefit is one-way. We cast off dead weight, except in certain situations. Yes, we have a social welfare system in the United States, albeit a very inadequate and ill one. I personally believe that the only reason why we have one at all is as a safety net. It is instructional to notice that we have to give tax breaks to intice charity. It is always the middle class -- the ones closer to that poverty level and more at risk of slipping into the poverty level -- who most support charity for charity's sake.

Ok, so by now you're sure I've got this black view of the human soul, but I don't think I do. I like people, and I think they are basically good, when it suits them. I think it is unfair to expect people to be willing to throw away their own health for the health of others -- it is nice and noble when it happens, but it isn't human nature. And this is why communism, as a pure concept, can't work, and always devolves into capitalism.

The Nature of Capitalism
Capitalism depends on people being basically selfish. The whole point is that, if you work hard, you can get rich, ride to the top, and do whatever (more or less) you want.

As an aside, I'd like to point out that I find this entirely ironic. The point of life is to procreate, because those organisms who's entire being is given up to that drive to procreate are the one's who's genes have the most chance of surviving. However, birth rates in the most industrialized nations is far lower than those in third-world countries, and it isn't because we can't procreate -- it is because it we don't really want to. For some reason, when we get fat and wealthy, we lose the desire to spawn. I'm guessing it is nature's way of keeping humans hungry. The true advances come from the dissatisfied, not from the comfortable.

In any case, we've evolved a system whereby, theoretically, the hardest working reap the most rewards. Only, it doesn't quite work out that way, as you'll see.

Like commu-capitalism, capitalism has its downsides. In a communism, you get points only if you contribute. However, with capitalism, people can, and do, make significant amounts money without making any significant contribution to society whatsoever. In fact, a large portion of the American economy is devoted to doing just this -- making money off of the concept of money alone. "Interest" is a good example of this. Once an entity has a certain amount of money, it can survive off the interest without providing any constructive contribution to society. I phrase it this way, because at that point it doesn't matter whether the entity exists or not. It is capable of becoming a pure consumer, rather than a producer. Banks, therefore, are leeches on the process of capitalism. They don't truely contribute to the advancement of society.

Before I let you get too far into making any assumptions about my beliefs and values, I want to make it clear: I actually like banking. I think they're absolutely necessary, for the same reasons why a true communism would never work. I'd like to have a job working on banking software. Banking is the one, truely universal industry, where your skills are always in demand. For that matter, I'd love to have the opportunity to become a leech on society. I wouldn't actually exercise the ability, but it would be nice to not have to worry about how I'm going to fund my retirement. I'm also a dedicated capitalist. However, I do believe that there is no such thing as a purely good concept, and that any idea can be abused.

So, capitalism encourages non-contributing, support structure industry. Many organizations make fortunes simply by shifting money back and forth, from one place to another. While this is all very integral to our economy, it only exists as a side effect -- it doesn't actually produce anything.

Capitalism allows people to starve. However, unlike communism, capitalism also allows people to better themselves and their situation. Capitalism also allows people to ensure a better future for their offspring, should they have any, and to contribute surplus resources to organizations that they believe in. To quote the old hack, it may not be a perfect system, but it is the best one we have.


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Some agreement

I agree with the idea that communism centers around the belief that people are inherently good. And, because people are actually inherently evil, true communism is destined to fail.

However in our little social experiment of Ronin, there is a forum for people to best manifest their goodness. You gain very little by being a member of this organization, and very little to lose. You aren't going to starve without the guild, you won't lose your house, you (hopefully) will still have friends and a job IRL.

In fact, the only thing you gain by being a member is a social conection. That connection is only valuable if you continue to be a good person (otherwise nobody wants to hang out with you).

At Ronin, we're putting the "social" back in "socialism"!


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Classic!

That last line is classic.


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I read that essay and have

I read that essay and have some fundamental differences with it.

"People are basically selfish."

The auther implies that selfishness should be viewed with opprobrium. Not so, anymore than breathing should be so viewed. "Selfishness" is simply the way humans behave.

Humans, all humans with faculties intact, have value scales. These scales consist of an ordinal sorting of wants. For instance I may be hungry and at the moment value a ham sandwich higher than anything wlse. Or, if particularly despondent, I may value suicide higher than anything wlse. When I feel generous I may value contributing to my church or favorite charity. But in no case wlll I select anything but that item that is most highly ranked on my value scale. The fact that I chose it means that it _was_ first on my value scale. In other words humans always acto to maximize their psychic benefit.

Notice I did not say "best interest." Such is a value judgement made often by third parties, like the government, to direct the actions of others. People do not always act in their best interest as determined by someone else. They will always act, however, in their own best interest as determined themselves.

This simple principle predicts the workings of Adam Smith's "invisible hand," the guiding force of price determination. Of those people that have the purchase of a commodity at the top of their value scale there will be a separation between them. This is due to the fact that there value scale will include the value of the money they also attach e a value to. I person may want milk as the top of their value scale. Since money also has value to them it will also be part of their valuse scale. Maybe the second spot on the value scale will be $2. This consumer will by milk for up to $2. Another person may have $1.50 in the second place. He will buy milk for up to $1.50. Everyone who wants to buy milk will have a price that they will pay.

Similarly the seller also has a value scale. He will sell for a certain price. A number of sellers with varying value scales make up along with the buyers a market. And the market will settle on a price. Some will buy, others will not, choosing, possibly an alternate beverage or saving the money, among a number of possibilities.

This is how prices are determined. Not as Adam Smith and Karl Marx assumed, the amount of labor invested but rather the actions of the market. It is interesting that while Smith touted the "invisible hand," he also laid the basisi for Marx's theory of value.

The Austrian economists, most notably Bihm-Bawerk, were the first to realize that a consuming public, not the investment of labor, determined the value of an item. When a labor intensive item is suddenly devalued by the introduction of an alternative product that sellers will part with for a lower price, the original produce will suddenly lose its market.

Smith cited the example of pin makers. Originally a pin maker took the pin from cradle to grave, performing all the steps necessary to bring that pin to market. Smith described the separation of labor and how it had a beneficial effect. By having laborers specialize in a single task, drawing the wire or making the pin heads or poutting the heads on the pins or packaging the pins, the costs and hence the willingness of the seller to sell for a lower price will be achieved. This usually leads to s shift in consumer preferences to the newer product. The old way of manufacturing will be replaced by the newer way.

Of course, the new pin makers will still have varying value scales when selling their goods. An equilibrium will be determined by the market. Some will buy, others will not. Some will sell, others will not, atleast until they have so many pins that they decide to lower their price or go out of the pin business altogether.

I have written far to much. Just to reitereate, even when acting outwardly altruistic, people do it to maximize their psychic gain. It is neither bas nor good. Like air, it is ubiquitous.


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Neubauten's picture

Look at the big brain on Phlaton!

Epic post, Phlaton. Nice work.

If I'm not mistaken, you're addressing the rule of equalized marginal utility per dollar, yes? I like it.

Incidentally, because the total price of Ronin membership is $0, any utility whatsoever makes the margin infinite. However, the price of WoW is $15-ish/month. That means that you are more likely to quit playing the game altogether while still being a member of Ronin, assuming my math is correct.


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FYI

My rib recipe is a little known, yet substantial, contributor to overall gas emissions in the US. Especially when combined with my "Bacon Wrapped Beans", "Mrs. Neubauten's Seranno Chile Coleslaw", and a few quenchingly piquant IPAs.


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